Are all the posts from FAs at other airlines? Could happen. may be it is totally moronic. We spend $100K plus on flight training plus college for most of us. the recruiters told me: *No insurance provided. The comments on this page have not been provided, reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any advertiser, and it is not an advertiser's responsibility to ensure posts and/or questions are answered. So a lifelong career. Barracks or proper housing and will the company take it out of their paycheque? My regional airline was a casualty of covid and Breeze seems like a great fit for someone like myself. Don't forget that for a person to be a doctor capable for surgery they need to have completed medical school, but for someone to be a flight attendant they only need a GED. Second, the amount of flights they'll even have to offer in their first year or two is relatively small but not surprising for the type of flying they're doingie. Grumpy old man can be Ebenezer Scrooge. While we do try to list all the best miles and points deals, the site does not include all card companies or credit card offers available in the marketplace. I think the best way for this airline to implement their business model is to pay for its pilots training from 0 hrs to 1500 hrs and then these pilots can work for them at their pay scale that will make more sense. Do public transportation and see the sites that are free. How many people truly seek out higher prices for labor solidarity? PEOPLExpress anyone? Corporate apartments with two bedrooms. I'm nearing ATP mins as a CFI and it looks interesting. Ive written in the past about Breezes controversial approach to hiring flight attendants, which requires being enrolled in college and living in company housing. What do you make of these Breeze insights? Yes, they are using and abusing us. An initial slate of 39 routes across 16. Captain will make 3 times this Im surprised David Neeleman would set such low rates for pay. Lets compare Breezes pilot pay to that of a couple of other airlines: Heres JetBlues Embraer 190 pilot pay scale: JetBlue Embraer 190 pilots get paid way more. The job may fit more workers than you think. 3) Solid work experience in my chosen industry! Lots of opinion injected here but believe me they do not have a shortage of applications. He is probably right in both those factors. I would instruct my old self to work yet harder for my lousy salary. 2) Free Travel! *The whole Home Monthly is based on operational needs and must be scheduled 3 weeks prior. If the pay is off the mark, the marketplace will correct this soon enough: pilots have options, and they know it. They understand that our pursuit of Excellence is not a destination, but rather, a journey. The founder of the airline is David Neeleman, the same guy behind JetBlue. As an MD and introducing herself to patients as "Doctor", her salary started at about $30,000. Its their choice. *No insurance provided. Employees pay for their school and housing, but Breeze gets the tax savings. But.can't raise interest. document.getElementById( "ak_js" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); My neighbor is in this program. Is this how people select doctors? The bad news is that there may not be enough hours. @rich Does your fast food place include housing as part of compensation? 28 years represented by ALPA, walked the picket line 29 days in 1985 and was ready to do it again several times during my career to entice management to come to the negotiating table with a better contract for pilots. At 5 bucks an hour. Heres come the nanny union effectively telling them they arent capable of making that decision. Wow, what a depressing indicator of the state of our society with an emptied out middle class that flight attendants are being hired at poverty wages and worthless online "tuition credits.". If its actually cheaper and leg room isnt a total disaster, their planes will be full. No one is forcing applicants to accept pay they don't like. 1. You have successfully joined our subscriber list. A union can negotiate for the whole group, unity makes force. Fly for less money and less stress. *The whole "Home Monthly" is based on operational needs and must be scheduled 3 weeks prior. FO Adam absolutely nailed it. I am a 40 year flight attendant at a legacy carrierand I llove my job. Sounds very ME3. The good news is that the hourly wages are above-average. If not the comparison is poor. May I ask the age range that they are seeking @TravisFromORD? Just be transparent. There's a good chance that well-spoken, polished, and slightly tired surgeon you call "doctor", who has "MD" on their snappy-looking business card, and who so patiently listens to all of your ailments and deep thoughts about dizziness and tinnitus is a resident physician, AKA an intern. On the small regional hops, inexperience is almost the default. Most people care about price and reasonably courtesy interactions. At least here they will learn something. Breeze Will Pay Flight Attendants $1,200 Per Month, Wants To Ding Your Credit Card, Avelo Airlines having launched operations, Breeze Airways is expected to be the next US airline startup, expected to start selling tickets any day now, Breeze Airways views flight attendants as interns, Breeze wants you to buy a filet mignon sandwich, Breeze will have low fares, no change fees, Breeze has a huge cost advantage over competitors, Breezes controversial approach to hiring flight attendants, Should Babies Be Allowed In First Class? So, that will be difficult. No guests. I sure appreciate it. Nah man, cars suck. I dwelled on my sad fate at length. Bottom line: Supply and Demand principles are at play. They had over a hundred applicants. See more about our ethics policies here. 5) I will meet many travelers and may be able to network my way into other opportunities when I As a college student, I love the idea! So, that will be difficult. Posted by 5 minutes ago. Chances if you have surgery, you already have. Breeze Airways Wants To Pay Pilots How Much?! The *interns* that get suckered into this are clearly being taken advantage of and exploited. New airplane, new business model. Im sure theyd leap at the chance to earn USD given the depreciation of the R$. Unfortunately flying is something easy to be passionate about, and the industry takes advantage. As the app is described: That app, Neeleman says, is designed to convince customers to shell out for upgrades and extras, from food to rental cars, which Breeze is depending on to turn a profit. There's a good chance that well-spoken, polished, and slightly tired surgeon you call "doctor", who has "MD" on their snappy-looking business card, and who so patiently listens to all of your ailments and deep thoughts about dizziness and tinnitus is a resident physician, AKA an intern. Login Support. You ask "why not schedule surgery with a doctor as an intern? Should be a wage and hour attorney's dream; they'll be subject to every state's wage/hour laws wherever they fly and be subject to both private lawsuits as well as administrative cases from the wage/hour agency in those respective states. Yeah.let us be honest.A 25 year veteran flight attendant is not someone most of us want on a flight. I expect a complete unbundling a la Spirit but with a much wider, more attractive range of upgrade interests for passengers. Breeze Airways - Pay Scale Update. But how does this affect pay for pilots? Either talk about what JBs starting rates were when they launched or write this article in 5 years and Ill think differently. This combination of low salary and high demands cannot be good for retention. D. Delta Echo Well-Known Member. We are seeing a rapid deployment of apps and self-service kiosks to replace human workforce that don't bring $15 an hour value. That sounds part time and probably better since you are getting paid for all of your time. Breeze's minimum qualifications The basic requirements to become a Breeze pilot come down to flight hours. 8 hours reserve gets 4 hours of pay $38 per hour. Every Friday Saturday, and Sunday of the month. Can you imagine just getting a text message your flight is canceled and you're rescheduled for 2 days laterand you can't call anyone to change it? The Dept. This is a very exciting idea indeed! @Jason -- Sprit is not that profitable, certainly nowhere close to Delta. 3) Solid work experience in my chosen industry! Not sure if labor pool for whom the model fits is really large enough to support high turnover baked into the model or can support scale to provide regular flight frequency but we'll see. Please view our advertising policy page for additional details about our partners, Theyll receive $6,000 towards tuition for online coursework, Expect most Breeze tickets this summer to cost well under $100 one-way, When Breeze takes delivery of A220s later this year the airline will offer a first class, and expect those tickets to cost an extra $50-100 one-way, Breeze will charge $20 for checked bags on flights under three hours, Breeze wont charge change or cancelation fees, Breezes trip costs will be 25-30% lower than for competitors with A320s or 737s, While Breezes Embraer aircraft will have 108-118 seats, the airline will be able to break even when selling just 60 seats, Since the lease costs on Breezes planes are so low, the airline can afford to keep the planes parked during the week when demand is low, and fly them primarily on weekends, when demand is much higher, It sounds like Breeze is going to have an unheard of cost structure that will put virtually any other airline to shame; if the airline can really break even with a 50-55% load factor all while operating fairly small planes (that are easy to fill), Breeze will be a force to be reckoned with, Breeze is claiming that technology will be a true point of differentiation, though I feel like virtually every airline executive claims that about their own airline; only time will tell if this is all talk, or if Breeze has done something that no other airline has successfully done, Its so strange to me how Neeleman is known for building airlines with incredible corporate cultures and employee morale, where employees are able to grow with the airline, while hes seemingly taking a different approach with Breeze; I wonder how Breeze will evolve over time. Oh, and first crew base is MYR. Merge the Starbucks model into an airline. Its schedule, price, loyalty program. In youth I worked fast food full-time for many years. Frankly Im somewhere in the middle here. Spirit airlines is one of the most profitable airlines in the world proving that many people care more about price than most other things on flights. If Breeze employees get stock (I'm no insider but assume they will), and Breeze succeeds, they stand to make up later in capital gains potentially much more than they forego today in ordinary income. For now its all supply and demand compounded with an industry in the toilet. Thanks for update !! Then there are the wages and hours questions. Checking in Online. Let's ask Don Burr how his cult airline worked out? Many may not have developed interactional skills with customers (passengers) and feel this job can help teach them that skill. And which also clearly states that there will be no contract renewal. Housing is expensive. And its our fault. Please view our advertising policy page for additional details about our partners, Pilots generally get paid for flight hours; the hourly rate might seems high, but pilots arent getting paid for anywhere close to 40 hours per week of work, Pay varies depending on whether youre captain or first officer, and each year your pay typically increases, up to a certain cap, Other than hourly pay, one other important metric is minimum guaranteed monthly hours, since guaranteed hours multiplied by hourly pay guarantees your minimum monthly pay, First officers will be paid $55 per hour in year one, and $94 per hour in year six, Captains will be paid $117 per hour in year one, and $143 per hour in year six, Pilots are only guaranteed pay for 55 hours per month of flying (this is really the worst part, since pilots at most airlines are guaranteed 75+ hours per month), A first officer is looking at earning $36,300 in the first year, and $62,040 in the sixth year, A captain is looking at earning $77,220 in the first year, and $94,380 in the sixth year, In absolute terms these are above average salaries in the US, However, pilot training is expensive, and an Embraer 195 has nearly 120 seats, so its bigger than your typical regional jet; also, the airline will eventually fly A220s, and presumably pay wont be much better, Breeze is expecting more from pilots than regional airlines, as applicants already need a type rating for Embraer aircraft, and also need more experience, Lets compare Breeze pilot pay to JetBlue pilot pay, since, Lets compare Breeze pilot pay to SkyWest pilot pay; pilots often go to regional airlines to gain experience early on, and this typically represents the lowest pay youll find in the airline industry, First officers are paid $89 per hour in year one, and $130 per hour in year six, Captains are paid $192 per hour in year one, and $203 per hour in year six, Pilots are guaranteed pay for 75 hours per month of flying, A JetBlue Embraer 190 first officer is looking at earning $80,100 in the first year, and $117,000 in the sixth year, A JetBlue Embraer 190 captain is looking at earning $172,800 in the first year, and $182,700 in the sixth year, First officers are paid $45 per hour in year one, and $59 per hour in year six, Captains are paid $79 per hour in year one, and $91 per hour in year six, Pilots are guaranteed pay for 76 hours per month of flying, A first officer is looking at earning $41,040 in the first year, and $53,808 in the sixth year, A captain is looking at earning $72,048 in the first year, and $82,992 in the sixth year, The most unreasonable part of Breezes pay arrangement is the minimum guaranteed hours, rather than the hourly rate as such; everyone needs a certain amount of money to cover their bills, and the minimum monthly amount sure is low, Breeze is essentially trying to pay like a regional airline, while requiring more experience to get hired (pilots need to be type rated on Embraer aircraft, and need 1,000 hours of fixed-wing turbine time), Between the flight attendant employment arrangement and the pilot pay, it doesnt seems like Breeze is trying to build a culture that encourages employees to stay with the company long term, It takes years (and a lot of money) to get to the point where you can get this job, youre flying a plane that retails for tens of millions of dollars, and you have the lives of nearly 120 people at a time in your hands, and youre potentially being paid ~16% above a $15 minimum wage (which we have in many cities nowadays). For those who get hired by Breeze in this first round, I would imagine they'd be happy campers in a few years. Not my kind of thing. At Breeze, we want to empower and support our Team Members so they can, in turn, empower and support our Guests every step of the journey. NGPA Expo - February 9-10 in PSP Booth 525, Women in Aviation - February 23-25 in LGB - Booth 549, TPNx April 21-22 in MCO, Currently hiring E190/195 and A220 First Officers, E190/195 Captains, and Australian Pilots that hold or have previously held an E-3 visa, New hire classes every month for the E190/195 and A220, Scheduled passenger service on the E190/195 flying consists of day trips (no overnights) with limited flying on Tuesday and Wednesday, Charter business is very robust on the E190/195 Charter flights may operate any day of the week, A220 operates a traditional schedule 7 days per week, Significant growth and expansion planned over the next 5 years, Breeze flies to 30+ cities from coast to coast, Eight A220s delivered as of August 2022 - 73 more to be delivered and options for 40 more, Ejet fleet projected to grow to 30 by 2025, A220 fleet is projected to grow to nearly 60 by the end of 2025, A new training center opened in SLC with one E190/195 simulator and one A220 simulator, $200 million in funding was raised in August of 2021. Landing June 2023. What do you make of Breezes approach to hiring? Most of the comments are/were regarding the MMG and hourly pay, but the key factor is the requirements to actually get the job. It will be interesting to see how this twist in offering a perpetual/consistently youthful corps of flight attendants at Breeze versus those with (decades of) seniority at other airlines plays out, thats for sure. Must have 2,000 hours total time in large, Group II transport category, fixed-wing aircraft (turbojet aircraft of more than 41,000 lbs. Breeze Airways will initially fly Embraer 190s, but eventually plans to operate a fleet consisting exclusively of Airbus A220s. Most of the comments are/were regarding the MMG and hourly pay, but the key factor is the requirements to actually get the job. Years ago right out of college I worked as a contractor on-site at one of the biggest technology companies in the world. Great article !!! Young, unattached, few opportunities, and committed to finishing school in 4 years. The new carrier, founded by serial aviation entrepreneur David Neeleman first teased the idea, code-named Moxy, in mid-2018. Finally, Breeze needs to get its financial footing or their employees could all be forced out on the street. Maybe it really is a part-time gig and would be a good fit for a great many people. Even brands that truly tried to build a better experience (jetblue, alaska, virgin (rip)) eventually competed mostly on price. Spirit passengers, not so much. Also, let's be honest: COVID is a new reality for pilots. I think these "internships" are not meant for people looking at a career as a flight attendant, but rather college age kids looking for a unique experience. Does Breeze offer enough pay to pilots? Not how youd describe most 70-year-olds. I wonder what other benefits and tax breaks Breeze gets, in exchange for providing "jobs". That minimum guarantee is just that, a minimum. They can earn $40,000-$60,000 a year, cut you open, and often perform your entire surgery under the direct and indirect supervision of attending physicians, who are more experienced and make more like $350,000 to $700,000 a year. Highest paying job titles at Breeze Airways include Back-End Software Engineer, Director, Financial Reporting, and Technical Program Manager Total value of jobs: $12,985,000 Total Jobs: 3. Oh the horror of being open about the terms of the jobs and the compensation and then allowing potential flight attendants to decide if they want to accept the arrangement. Please use the form below to submit updates and corrections to the airline information found on this site. The race to the bottom continues. I will make $15-20 per hour for my hard work on average when you figure all the work we do for free. Would you pay your doctor, lawyer, nurse, even architect, engineer, electrician, plumber, welder etc. Ahead of the launch, Forbes has an interesting story about the airline, after having spent some time with founder David Neeleman. The pay scale also looks good. Idea sounds interesting but that pay scale and hiring model is trash. Not a bad gig for a college student. Many of those interns go on to be millionaires, build businesses, and manage to be +5 insightful and funny. Everyone should apply. @samuel. Poor, poor me. Beauty: Not in the job description, but undoubtedly a plus from a marketing perspective. The concept does turn on to be "too good to be true" at least for me, just based on the insurance matter alone. As a society we have started to forget the notion of a first job leading to better skills and better salary. The airline should do fine, at least up to a certain scale. I'm a flight attendant for JetBlue Airways and I make $56 per hour, that is, after 15 years but still. And that doesn't include per diem. Not exclusively, but the idea of a University education is as much participating in a community of students as it is sitting in classrooms. Interesting. The concept does turn on to be "too good to be true" at least for me, just based on the insurance matter alone. To help clarify that, the DoL requires that the intern cannot displace any worker, receive instruction equivalent to or complementary to enrolled coursework. But I guess everyone agrees that the duties of FAs are just going down day by day. Wont fly them with this info. An airline that keeps harassing me with upsell offers on my purchase? You can also reach us at (800) 573-1848. In the meantime, if you don't like the pay, go see if another airline is hiring. Would you like to buy a filet mignon sandwich that we can hand deliver to you in your seat? Just add all these fun little add-ons where you can just click yes, yes, yes. And we can just keep dinging the credit card.. Reactions: Karee. I am sure they expect this, but will like to see what happens. This article mentions and quotes minimum monthly guarantee, but fails to show the pay for picking up extra flying. I have worked with underpaid and undermotivated staff, and it s not pretty: for the staff, the management, the investors and the customers. My regional got dumped by United and now Im at another regional at the bottom of a seniority list making way less money with bad work rules flying the same tail numbers I did before. FAs are there for your safety: The younger the FA, the stronger they are. The most important sentence in this article is this the only reason to become a pilot at Breeze is if you have no other options. My view is something of a combination of many of the other posts. Some can force their way, others will accept any offer out of fear to lose their job. No other large country trains and hires their airline pilots the way we do. Why Do Airlines Oversell (& Overbook) Flights? Your speculation about how Breeze flight attendant will or will not make ends meet is rank speculation. The average pilot will make more than this. By clicking the Send button, you agree to our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy, and to the use of cookies described therein, and you also consent to the collection, storage, and processing of your data in the United States where the level of data protection may be different from that in your country. Criticizing workers for lack of professional ambition is part of our toxic "professional achievement & success, income as identity" culture, especially where there are so many ways to live fulfilling lives that are not defined by constant growth of income. All around me were developers making millions of dollars of year in salary and stock options, and there was little old me, paid hourly making about $28,000 a year in an expensive city. for there liking only. Breeze will initially fly 118-seat Embraer 195s, but eventually plans to operate a fleet consisting exclusively of Airbus A220s. I think Breeze will likely be cheaper while SW offers 2 free checked bags. Or to put it another way, by year six, First Officers at Breeze Airways end up making almost half as much as JetBlue Co-Pilots. This hasnt been without controversy, though. Spirit may have higher "margins", i.e. Flight attendants as interns is a novel idea on paper but. But make sure you ask the a million question, even the stupid ones BEFORE you sign the contract. This is absolutely exploitive. Let's seean airline you interact with almost completely on an app staffed by young folks with no vested interest in the company or it's success.what could possibly go wrong? It's not like America's legacy airlines are immune to hiring very young, very inexperienced people. Attn: Airline Pilot Central Yes, I'm probably talking about you dummy. Does the hourly rate even amount to minimum wage? That sums up who youll be flying behind if you choose to fly on this completely unproven carrier. Rude, Fat-Fugly, Nasty, Filthy, Unfit. There isn't enough information to know whether this is a good deal or a bad deal for the "part timers" potentially taking this work. . Yes, I am hoping for the best for this start up! Breeze Airways First Officers: $62,000 by year six, JetBlue First Officers: $117,000 by year six, Breeze Airways Captains: $94,000 by year six. I wish you luck in you career and travels. This is how young doctors learn their craft in America and all over the world. It's silly to ape outrage when we don't know a lot of the details of the actual work and schedule. My point is: Why pay more if you don't have to? Chances if you have surgery, you already have. They make expensive mistakes. Please view our advertising policy page for additional details about our partners. To airline pilots is there anything Im missing here that would make Breeze an attractive employer? Actual flight time? Also: are families welcome? High Flex. Overall, it sounds like he spent his time in Brazil calculating every aspect of his U.S. comeback. These days she brings home a little bit more than that: she earned it. @RobertB unless Breeze starts showing a pattern of denying jobs to older, experienced flight attendants who want to do the work and following Breeze's presumably legal employment practices, there is no discrimination.