If they are saved , I dare say they regret the day they walked into the very church you enjoy making fun of. They are counting on your service and tithe. Also, we lived in a free Appartement with food stamps. Oh well, maybe another discussion. A church that has tract rack I dont know what they are for but my old church has one for storing hymn books (or hymnals), pew bibles, bible study books, etc. That is the only sin that cannot be forgiven. Im not responsible for how its perceived. God values his word, even above his own name, and when you or I meet God, what we think means nothing to God, unless it lines up with His Word. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things. This Bible is preserved for the English speaking world without error in the King James Version. I want no part of it except to expose it for what it is cultish. WebHeartland Baptist Bible College is unique. Please trust me when I tell you that your IFB church (as most other IFB churches) is preying on you. Most Americans dont understand that there are flavors of Baptist Christianity, everything from liberal to hardcore Fundamentalist. It is awful that they put the rules and instructions of their mythology ahead of their love for That may mean dressing appropriately and not dis honoring your body because its a holy temple. Tithing is also commanded in the bible and we are to give because he loves us and give with a joyful heart. [8], The New IFB website states that it is not a denomination and that New IFB pastors have differing views over minor theological issues. We believe that the New Testament church is a local assembly of baptized believers who have voluntarily joined themselves toge therto carry out the Great Commission. Hope you have a great day! I actually looked up the word just now (Random House Websters College Dictionary), and here are the definitions: 3.) How about shortchanging the Lord out of 20 minutes of Sunday service time worship for game show gimmickry hype to boost attendance? 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. Teaching there is any unforgivable sin besides the sin of unbelief in Jesus Christ is not biblical. 50. Everything is about Him, He is a jealous God. And yet, they honor the Scofield Bible!!! Besides saying that those who practice any of these that arent saved is wrong because that is judging. Those who judge people like that WILL BE judged the same way, PERIOD. The women that I befriended in this church will always be my sister in Christ. I believe tithing is good and God blesses those who tithe. I understand that its hard to convey emotions when typing, but the above list does not have the feel that it was done with a spirit of love but one of condemnation. 38. I respond to IFB jabs, sometimes that requires a jab back. when you run into her at Wal*Mart. (2 Cor. Would you go back and pet a dog after it bit you? If your church sings Just As I Am at the end of every service We sing that song once in a while since its a good invitational song. We believe that all the saved should live in such a manner as not to bring reproach upon their Savior and Lord; and, that separation from all religius apostasy, all worldly and sinful pleasures, practices and associations is commanded of God (II Timothy 3:1-5; Romans 12:1, 2, 14:13; I John 2:15-17; II John 9-11; II Corinthians 6:14-7:1). If your church funnels in inner city kids via a bus ministry, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 24. Quite the contrary, I was searching for something else when I clicked on this link, so I didnt then and dont now come looking to argue. Do you find them so humorous ? All rights reserved. 6. They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you. Baptists are traditionally strong believers in Biblical authority. Freedom of choice demands personal responsibility. The New IFB's website lists its core doctrines as salvation by faith alone, once saved always saved, King James Bible-only, the Trinity, soul-winning, "hard" preaching, prewrath post-tribulation rapture, and opposition of worldliness, Calvinism, dispensationalism, liberalism, and Zionism. Many of those things actually do go on at IFB churches, but several of those things are Biblical. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. From a biblical standpoint, Jesus is the ONLY mediator between God and Man and only Jesus can intercede us. I have attended an IB Church my entire life (34 years). Belief number 51 is absolutely wrong. I do agree that its not sinful about renting movies or watching them on TV. I have no position or opinion of this God divorced Israel but Not judah..Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of WHAT?? By the way Jason, if you think theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse, I feel sorry for you. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 People that are lost cant do what God has commanded because of unbelief. Inspired by Jeff Foxworthys You Might Be A Redneck IfI came up with a similar list of items for the IFB. Jesus tells us in Matthew 7:1-5: Judge not, that ye be not judged. I agree some are or at least seem to be what most consider legalistic. We believe that any form of homosexuality, lesbianism, bisexuality, beastiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography is a sinful perversion of God's original intent for a physical relationship between a husband and wife. I had my part. You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. 1. (Job 3:16; Psalm 51:5; 139:14-16; Isaiah 44:24; 49:1, 5; Jeremiah 1:5; 20:15-18; Luke 1:44), We believe that God has ordained and created all authority which consists of three basic institutions: (1) the home, (2) the church, and (3) the state. Also, Im not mocking Biblical beliefs. We believe that salvation is by grace plus nothing minus nothing. Im so thankful for Gods grace on your life and the lives of your family. These Independent Fundamental Baptists appear to be inconsistent, and so misguided. 32 Go ahead and finish what your ancestors started. Secular music other than old time gospel hymns is sin I dont see anything wrong with rock & roll, oldies music, and country music though it has gotten worse these days than it was years ago but the music I hate the most are hip hop, heavy metal generally, and especially RAP music which my brother likes. Years ago, I heard a very funny but truthful skit on what was or wasnt OK. Each verse ended with, Its OK, because Independent Fundamental Baptist Preachers do it.. 24 Blind guides! The True Church: The doctrine of a believer's church is a key belief in Baptist life. I had no idea that I, as an IFB, might be guilty of these things. If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse than yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, my current pastor, at Balsam Street Christian Church, doesnt do any of the two as he doesnt use the pulpit to preach his sermons anyways. The IFB is the organization hurting His cause. I truly dont understand this one, ha! It teaches parents to use their authority to prod, guide, and correct their children. He says he isnt saved but is open minded and is at least asking questions. Complete Guide to Christian Denominations: Understanding the History, Beliefs, and Differences by Ron Rhodes. Please read the rest of the website and my story rather than just judge me. THE LAST THINGS If you want a discussion ask for one. We believe in the autonomy of the local church free of any external authority or control. Like I said, forgiveness doesnt mean anything other than forgiveness. If you think that mental health issues (depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, etc.) It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of Youre perfect for them because they dont want people challenging their belief system. Youre judgment of me by one blog post and its comments is typical IFB tactic. God is the only one who can forgive mans sins. Christ died for his sin already, so he had already been forgiven by God. Tattoos are the marks of the Devil I really dont know if they are marks of the devil but I do agree that tattoos are sinful even if its against the Old Testament. 55. To love Jesus is to love his word and follow his commands because we love him. No official opinion on this though as I said we should discipline our children the same way God disciplines us Those are my concerns about the 25 topics about the Independent Fundamental Baptist beliefs. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. OK That list just brought back memories that I can thankfully laugh at now. Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Growing up in a very conservative IFB church, I can personally attest to how accurate most of these were. 9 And dont address anyone here on earth as Father, for only God in heaven is your Father. Abortion constitutes the unjustified, inexcusable taking of unborn human life. The truth is, if you had sex with ANY woman before you finally decided to marry one of them, you are a divorced man. We believe education in the world is good, but the teaching of evolution needs to be addressed if the individual is a little kid as false doctrine. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. These are right on the money! If that doesnt raise red flags for you I dont know what will. Our accountability comes through a board of directors comprised of 24 independent fundamental Baptist pastors who, in turn, were elected to serve as directors by independent fundamental Baptist pastors. If you think that having a disagreement with a fellow Christian means that you are sowing discord with the brethren, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 53. I must put it in Jesus Christ. 8. We did 2 weeks of counseling and got married at the end of our last session. If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. I do not know if laugh or cry , almost 30 yrs involved in this , Im still a Christian , I serve in my church , Ive learned more since I left the movement , I am happier more devoted Christian than when I was manipulated to go out soulwinning , bus driving ,Sunday school teaching etc. I could come to him with anything that was bothering or troubling me and he NEVER judged me or held me in contempt by making me feel like I was less than or not good enough. That being said, I just want to warn the author about injecting too much of his own agenda into these posts. Members come into the church personally, individually, and freely. You better be right with God and have your name written in the lambs book of life. Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8 These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. More than one earring per ear for women is worldly I dont agree that multiple earrings per ear for women is worldly as long its not fancy. I will say though having grown up in that environment, there was a HUGE sense of support from the congregation, I always knew that if I needed something, I had people surrounding me who would help. 4 How can you think of saying to your friend, Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye, when you cant see past the log in your own eye? I found that 10 of those apply to me and Im not even IFB. The last pastor I had, at Mountain, would yell sometimes on his sermons to make sense of humor since most of his sermons were pretty funny but never pounded the pulpit. This group is for fellowship, sharing of resources, devotional thoughts, posting of sermons, news of interest, ministry ideas, missionary/church links, KJV verse photos, and general edification. 31. Or deciding not to clap for special music? I love the Lord with all my heart-I attend church when I want and where I wantbut mostly I have bible studies with Christian friends in coffee shops, homes, and restaurants and (I usually have on a pair of blue jeans. I was taught that. I also KNOW the areas that Hes not pleased with as I choose to hold on to that which the Bible clearly states as sin. 6:14-17), We believe that God has commanded that no intimate physical activity be engaged in outside of marriage between a man and a woman. We ARE the church my friend! We should teach our children of who Jesus is and how we should live a holy or Christian life. (Genesis 2:24; Romans 7:2; 1 Corinthians 7:10; Ephesians 5:22-23), We believe that God expressly forbids intimate sexual activity be engaged in outside of a marriage between one man and one woman. For you are like whitewashed tombsbeautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead peoples bones and all sorts of impurity. Our only Head is the Lord Jesus Christ and our only headquarters is heaven. Most pastors skip virtue, usually because they just dont know any better. We dont believe if you get rid of all the sin in your life youll be a completely healthy person. How will you escape the judgment of hell? We didnt go, but they came back the next week. IFB church members know how to laugh and have fun. But I do know some churches practice free will offerings instead of tithing. Despite having overcome drug addiction, trouble controlling my drinking, and a whole lot of other issues, my church never told me to leave, never told me to come back when I was better, never scolded me. N/A WebNo denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. We believe the King James Bible to be inerrant. You can read some of them in the comments section and in the testimonial section here: https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/. Thats The Holy Spirit speaking to me. I dont know what Daves intentions were. Did you read it? If your youth pastor eats a goldfish or gives away a baseball cap for every visitor a child brings, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. The end of November we were going to break up because of physical abuse so instead sought counseling for our pastor and his wife. WebIndependent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. We believe in one Triune God, eternally existing in three personsFather, Son, and Holy Spirit, co-eternal in being, co-identical in nature, co-equal in power and glory, and having the same attributes and perfections (Deuteronomy 6:4; II Corinthians 13:14). If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 9. Scripture is Good! (II Corinthians 12:12; I Corinthians 13:8; Hebrews 2:3-4; Mark 16:17-20; I Corinthians 1:22, 14:21-22). I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. 20. Due to the nature of the churches being independentin their autonomy, a percentage of what is believed, practiced or condemned by Independent Baptists (or IndependentFundamental Baptists, or Bible Believing Baptists, or IndependentBible Believing Baptists, or Unaffiliated Baptists, or Unaffiliated IndependentBaptists - just to Even I believe that if you are living in sin you are getting to the point where you are eventually will lose your salvation. 28 Outwardly you look like righteous people, but inwardly your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness. We wanted help and we wanted to know what the Bible said. Most Christians believe everything in the Bible. King James is the inspired word of God While I do like the old King James Bible but King James Only is wrong because its misleading and its legalism. WebWOL's Directory of Independent Baptist Churches; Independent Baptist Churches. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. We can joke around about a differing denomination that we dont agree with, but how we react to a situation that wasnt intended, also matters greatly. Then you have churches with no standards . God forgave me because Jesus Christ saved me. the appearance of things is more important than reality, aka, you will cover up abuse and silence victims in order to protect the name of Christ. Some of these doctrines are as listed. 2. You got me I am an IFB college grad. 22. This is assuming that the parable of the prodigal son is some kind of instruction on how to deal with a troubled child Hmmmmm interesting.I will bash ifb, while I mix truth and error interesting.. Nice going Steve Your happy mega churches do too. Deacons help the pastor care for the flock so he can give priority to prayer and the ministry of the Word. Although some Independent Baptist churches refuse affiliation with Baptist denominations, various Independent Baptist Church denominations have been founded. The school was run by Lester Roloff, an independent fundamental Baptist preacher who broke from the Southern Baptist Convention in 1954 and founded a series Wow, nice list. To be brought back to the norm of what being a Christian is all about. If you feel compelled to go door to door witnessing (or were compelled to visit a nursing home as a teen), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 28. I am also against body piercings as well. The pew hymnal is inspired by God While I favor hymns but I wouldnt necessarily say that because even though I do use the hymnal, most people at the church I go to now sing from the Power Point. There are independent Reformed/Calvinist Baptists, and independent Arminian And that boy who has grown up in Sunday School (because I brought him in my car every week) is now in 6th grade and has experienced the concept of unconditional love and promises that are kept things which would otherwise have been foreign. IF you are a single Independent Fundamental Baptist where do you go to meet other single Independent Fundamental Baptists? 19. It took exposure to more mature Christians (who were not not IFB!) Was so funny reading it, one thing that struck me is if an outsider were to read it theyd be incredulous, wondering how we stuck with it for so long. For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the lawjustice, mercy, and faith. That was an extensive list, and sooooo true! Every proposition presented for action of the church must be introduced by motion of one member and seconded by another. sad stuff particularly the responses from obviously brainwashed bible folks. If people asked rather than assumed there would be a lot less reactions. 33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. Also no one can hide hypocrisy and iniquity. The IFB are Pharisees of our day. If your not getting a lot out of your bible read I would recommend a switch to Kjv and to define any word you dont know Slow down reading and meditate on what your reading dont read as a duty each day but as a searching for fellowship each day. 46. Saying that Baptism is not necessary for salvation but rather it is an obedience to Christ is a liberal view of baptism and is unbiblical. Well I am a little confused. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. People are people and free to choose their own way. What your pastor told you is extremely dangerous and silly. The Duggar family, so much in the news lately, are Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB), a loosely affiliated, singularly cultish denomination of We reject any teaching that abortions of pregnancies due to rape, incest, birth defects, gender selection, birth or population control, or the mental well-being of the mother are acceptable. Being a IFB preacher, I confess a lot of truth here. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. I know the answers now. Lastly, I cant really respond to the think that theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse because I have no idea where thats coming from in my initial post. (Acts 20:7, Hebrews 10:24-25). No one should be forced to any belief against his or her will. 27 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. I do think that you can drink but you just cant be drink which is a legalistic problem within most Independent Fundamental Baptists. 33 Snakes! I do believe the requirements of a bishop and deacon is the husband of one wife.1 Timothy 3:2,12 we dont look down on divorced people. We can joke around about a differing denomination that we dont agree with, but how we react to a situation that wasnt intended, also matters greatly. Plus they believe that one cannot lose his salvation, Eternal Security, or Once Saved, Always Saved on the Calvinist view. 27. Who are the Free Will Baptists, and what do they believe? Amen! We believe that men are justified by faith alone and are accounted righteous before God only through the merit of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Jesus forgives and loves and he also needs to be honored is all respects. Three words vacation bible school *shiver*. (Matthew 22:15-22; 28:19-20;Romans 13:1-7). Why would I even send a lost loved one to church instead of sharing the gospel with them for that matter? Would the lost or questioning feel that even if someone is attacking your comments, that youre setting an example that they could adopt? Mental health issues is a result of sin and poor choices same position with my belief concerning IFB 48. I dont believe the IFB church I go to has ulterior motives, but I havent been to any other church to apply that to all IFB churches. I am unsure if she was already a member before her husband passed or not. And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? You hurt the cause of Christ regardless your intentions and you should be ashamed of yourself, especially if you think this is the proper way to obey the two commandments the Lord Jesus said were the most important. Even if you cant tithe now you can still serve in some way and later when you are able to improve your financial situation they will get your tithe. OMG = Oh My Goodness! God forgave my husband through Christ. Satan's eternal end is everlasting torment in the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:10). Independent Baptist churches (some also called Independent Fundamental Baptist or IFB) are Christian congregations, generally holding to conservative (primarily fundamentalist) Baptist beliefs. Such as??? The Bible is our sole and final authority for faith and practice. 2. We believe his power is supernatural, yet limited; and that he cannot act without the permission of God (Job 1:6-12; I John 4:4). And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? We believe that Satan is a created angelic being who rebelled and who tempted man to join him in rebellion against God (Isaiah 14:12-17; Ezekiel 28:11-19; Genesis 3:1-5). The word fundamental simply means that we adhere to the fundamentals (basics) of the true Christian faith. We affirm without apology the doctrines frequently identified as the Fundamentals of the Faith, which include the deity, virgin birth, sinless life, substitutionary death, bodily resurrection, and imminent return of Jesus Christ. The pastors name is Kevin Draganac. I have an old high school friend here with me who started visiting churches. Get our Question of the Week delivered right to your inbox! 7. Baptism means that a believer is bodily immersed in water followed by being raised up Grow your faith in a less toxic environment. Israel was the prodical.. judah is the elder son that was jealous of israel.. Study The prodigal son and the two houses of Israel. If you believe that using guitars in church is too liberal, yet you listen to patch the pirate who uses guitars, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 14. 13 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. This is the same pastor who said, you can come and let us tell you how you can know how you can know for sure how you can make Heaven your home. I can forgive people for offenses committed against me. We told to get married. Mental health issues are just another health issue people have. I think I find it more funny how you all think it IS funny and Im just over here secretly judging your jeans ;b, But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter. Did I have to marry him because I forgave him? If you believe that doing, saying, thinking, etc. The Pastor leads, feeds, guides, and guards the church at the direction of Christ. or any combination of the above isnt really saved because of that/those behavior(s), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 52. If you think that the KJV is inspired, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 2. 22 of the congregations are in 16 U.S. states, one in British Columbia, three are in the Philippines, two are in the Australian states of New South Wales and Queensland, and one congregation is located in the South African town of Middelburg. Here are my concerns about the beliefs since I am not Independent Baptist, Southern Baptist, or part of any Baptist affiliation: If your pastor refuses to be called Reverend, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. The abuse would continue and they would be dead and their child would be in foster care.